Saturday, December 15, 2012

Don't you Dare criticize Guns

In Violent Times
You shouldn't have to Sell your Soul

In Black & White
They really, really ought to know

Shout, Shout, Let it all Out
These are the Things I can Do Without
Come on, I'm talking to you, Come on

Another monstrous, murderous Gun Rampage. This time at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. How many more? How much more unrestricted Gun Violence must we be subjected to in order to satisfy the whims of insane Gun Nuts? How many Children must we sacrifice on the Altar of the Holy Second Amendment

Gun Control is needed in this Nation and we will never, ever have it. Because the moment you speak of Gun Control the insane Wayne LaPierre, Glenn Beck, Faux News imbeciles or the Gun Nuts appear to declare, 'See! President Obama is about to institute the  Homosexual Agenda 21 small arms treaty and have ACORN workers march in the New Black Panther Party to steal White People's guns!'

The Murderous Rampage in Newtown, CT is so different and so similar to the recent NFL player murder/suicide, the Florida murder of Jordan Davis by the limp dicked white knight or the dozen other Gun Rampages this year.

20 children and 6 adults murdered. These families are irrevocably destroyed for ALL TIME. They will never enjoy another christmas. And the ripples of damage will inexorably radiate outwards and hurt and harm their lives in future in so many seemingly small but in every respect enormous ways. ways.

Where was god in all of this? Christian Apologists proclaim god was off having a pout tantrum because we've "removed him from schools".

After each new tragedy a cohort of rabid fanatics demand silence! It's too Soon! Now is not the time to talk about Gun Violence! Now isn't the time to go off half-cocked! Now is actually the time to make Guns more accessible!

Now is, in fact, far too late to address this. As New York Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy, herself a tragic victim of the Gun Nuts campaign of unrestricted Gun Violence stated, 
"I agree, now is not the time to talk about gun laws – the time for that conversation was long before all those kids in Connecticut died today."
The Gun Nuts speak as though there are too many guns to do anything about in the same way there are too many bacterium for a surgeon to worry about so why should he wash his hands.

The Gun Nuts act and demand you resign yourself to these outrages the way you do towards the weather. You can't do anything about it so sit back and accept it. These aren't Tragedies, these are horrible crimes. And a working Government can and must do something to avert crimes.
A Well Regulated Militia...
We have no regulations. Just prior to this killing Illinois suffered a "Judicial Defeat" of it's concealed carry ban. And the Michigan Republicans, in their continuing anti-Democratic end around the Will of Michigan Voters, have pushed through ALEC sponsored legislation to open up Michigan schools, churches and bars for concealed carry. Gun Nuts have worked tirelessly to chop down all gun laws through a coordinated campaign. The Gun Nuts efforts show that Guns are more precious to them than people's lives.

At a minimum we need Registration and Licensing of every gun and gun owner. A limitation on what  magazines and weapon types which can be owned by a private citizen. A background check with local law enforcement and a Federal Database for every gun purchase. 

But, that's not nearly enough. The killer in Connecticut apparently didn't buy the weapons. He wasn't diagnosed or had a police record.

The only reasons to have an AR-15 with a drum magazine or a Heckler & Koch SP89 is if you truly believe you'll have to fight off the UN Blue Helmet invasion or the Zombie Apocalypse. But, again a tiny cadre of fanatics have made any discussion on limitations a Casus Beli.

Remove the indemnity gun manufacturers and sellers have against law suits. Every family destroyed by this should sue Glock and Sig Sauer. Anytime a gun is used in the commission of a crime the Manufacturer should be potentially liable. And if those companies are put out of business they have only themselves to blame. Gun makers and sellers enjoy the profits of selling weapons make them responsible for the carnage that flows from their trade, until they begin to police the proliferation of their product.


Nan said...

You misspelled the name of my home state. It's Michissippi.

Now that the concealed carry gun nuts have gotten their way here in Michissippi, I'm wondering just how long it'll take for the first fully legal lethal shooting to take place inside a school. A student reaches into his backpack for a calculator and a teacher blows him away? Some kids mouths off to a janitor, and the janitor decides to stand his ground?

Grung_e_Gene said...


The sword of Damocles has become the Barrel of a Gun.

What about a student "rightfully" bringing his gun to school only to be angry at his bad grade or mad that student X made a joke about him and gunning down his "tormentors".

Now, unrestricted Gun Violence supporters would proclaim that the student's actions regardless of the guns existence would be the only wrong part.

And Gun Nuts would support the right of every student to bring a gun to school to protect him or herself from bullies...

Life As I Know It Now said...


Grung_e_Gene said...

"The white man, that landed here; He came with two great weapons. One is the bible and the other was the gun. If he didn't humble you with the bible, he'd crumble you with the gun. And he's still praising the lord and passing the ammunition." - Lewis H. Michaux

toma said...

America: 300 million people, 200 million guns. Sexual perversions and inadequacies everywhere, along with rank poverty and exploding income income inequality. Would could possibly go wrong?

Silverfiddle said...

Hey, I know! Let's adopt Chicago's strict gun laws across the entire nation!

Go disarm the criminals, then we'll talk.

Silverfiddle said...

Chicago's strict gun laws work so well...

Grung_e_Gene said...

Thank you for proving my point with your link Silverfiddle! See what is driving Chicago's gun violence, the lax gun laws the Right has been pushing and the massive influx of weapons into our society!

Now, as to your snarky comment about "strict gun laws". We also have strict laws against Drunk Driving yet people still Drive Drunk!

So, are you a proponent of Anarchy and the elimination of laws since the law, in and of itself, do not stop the action?

Patricia said...

I don't know if you saw this Gene, in The Washington Post.
Some tool named Gohmert say's the principal of the school should have been armed. Then, she could have shot Lanza in the head and avoided the whole tragedy. More guns! There can never be enough and shootouts at school are fine and dandy. Disgusting.
Really good post Gene, I have to wonder if the NRA should be held responsible too, for all their gun propaganda.

Patricia said...

Sorry Gene, wrong link. It was the Huffington Post
My bad.

Silverfiddle said...

Your response is nonsensical. My point is that if you want to see what works, look around. Chicago has the strict gun laws that liberals would like to see implemented everywhere. They don't work.

Here are some facts, taken from a DOJ report.

Violent crime is down from 2000 to 2009, as is the use of a firearm in commission of a crime.

Here is a link to an DOJ report:

US DOJ Report: Criminal Victimization, 2009

Some excerpts from the report:

For overall violent crime, firearms, knives, and other weapons were used in about equal proportions

Weapons were used in 22% of all violent crimes in 2009

Between 2000 and 2009, the overall rate of firearm violence declined from 2.4 to 1.4 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 12 or older (table 10).

Firearms were used in about 8% of all violent crime incidents in 2009. During the 10-year period,
about 6% to 9% of all violent crime incidents were committed with firearms

Established facts must be our departure point in our search for answers.

J.O.B. said...

SF is right Gene. Our state, most importantly our city, is a horrible example of Gun laws gone awry.

Are you against the overturning of our carry laws? If so, what ideas do you have to fix our city?

Anonymous said...

If American cities need a "right" to carry automatic assault weapons with extra-large clips, that battle is already lost. I am sick of arguments over gun ownership being predicated on the "all or nothing" argument. There ARE other options, that one is a straw man. I don't know too many progressives who want to ban ALL guns, but I do know Republicans who want to legalize them all.

The death counts won't go down until there is something between letting any yahoo at all obtain whatever murder-stick he likes.

Grung_e_Gene said...

JOB and Silverfiddle,

You are both tragically wrong. It's not the Gun Laws fueling the Chicago gun violence. It's the so-called "legally" purchased weapons making their way into criminals hands.

And why do the criminals have such an easy time getting their hands on weapons? Because Gun Makers, ALEC and the NRA have flooded our Nation with weapons.

Silverfiddle said...

It's not the Gun Laws fueling the Chicago gun violence

No one said they were. What I said was they are useless to stop the violence.

As I said already. Disarm the criminals, then we can talk.

Grung_e_Gene said...


I can't tell if you're being obtuse or just happily carrying the NRA's dirty water.

"Let's adopt Chicago's strict gun laws across the entire nation!" - From you.

I'll disarm the criminals when Gun Owners start being responsible for their guns.

Murderous gang bangers in Chicago aren't getting their guns from shops they are acquiring them from all the irresponsible gun owners who do not secure their "legally" bought guns.

Therefore, we start making Gun Buyers, Sellers and Makers responsible for their product.

Gun Manufacturers flood our society with their product they need to be liable and accountable for the end results.