Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Republicans and the NRA helped the Tsarnaevs and Murderers get their Guns

No this isn't hyperbole.

Now, the most despicable Republican (this time) has to be Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona who sent a handwritten letter to the mother of a shooting victim claiming that he was “truly sorry” for her son’s death and that “strengthening background checks is something we agree on.” Of course, like all Republicans he voted against the background check bill.

But, even before the NRA, Gun Owners of America and other Pro-Unrestricted Gun Violence Groups cowered 42 Republicans and 4 Democrats in the Senate to defeat the Manchin-Toomey Background Check Amendment, the NRA was fighting for the Rights of Terrorists, like the Tsarnaev's to have ready easy access to whatever firearms they wished.

In 2011, Republicans on the House Judiciary panel shot down a proposal Thursday to prevent weapon sales to suspected terrorists. In a party-line vote of 21-11, the committee Republicans killed an amendment from Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.) that would have blocked firearm purchases by those on the FBI's terrorist watch list. 

So, even if the FBI could have put Tamerlan Tsarnaev on the FBI Terror Watch List he still could have bought guns.

And that's through a licensed dealer with a standard background check. Between 2004 and 2010, supposedly 247 people on the FBI Terror Watch List purchased guns legally in that manner.

It's, of course, completely unknown how many guns went to criminals, murderers and terrorists through p2p sales, unlicensed gun shows and thefts from the homes of so-called "responsible" gun owners.

I did a google search for the latest Gun Massacre in Seattle. The first two pages were a Gun Massacre in May 2012, in which 5 were murdered, 4 in Cafe Racer in North Seattle and a woman the shooter attempted to carjack. The Second Amendment Hero shot himself when he was surrounded by Police.

Continuing the search led me to the 2006 Capital Hill Massacre in which 6 people, 2 of them barely teenagers, were murdered by a Second Amendment Hero.

Of course, then I happened upon the 4 Seattle Police Officers murdered by ex-convict and good friend of Governor Mike Huckabee, Maurice Clemmons. However, Huckabee, who freed over a 1000 convicted felons, gets religious immunity for commuting Clemmons' sentence and freeing him because Maurice had repented and come to jesus, thereby washing Huckabee's hands of that killer's actions. 

I also came across a story from Oregon City which stated a 32-year-old Second Amendment Hero was at home on Sunday April 14th, prepping for his new job as an armed security guard by holstering and unholstering a loaded weapon.

Fourth grader Shayla May Shonneker was about 50 yards away when the gun discharged, sending a bullet through a wall and striking the girl in the face while she was playing outside. The girl was later pronounced dead after being rushed to Oregon Health & Science University Hospital by LifeFlight helicopter.

Finally I managed to read the story from Federal Way, Washington about a 28-year-old man who fatally shot and killed his live-in girlfriend inside an apartment south of Seattle, then went on a rampage that left three men dead, including a neighbor who had phoned 911 to report hearing gunfire, authorities said.

It's so ubiquitous that you have to know which gun massacre/mass shooting/child murder you're looking for in order to stay up-to-date on the latest.

I could list the number of murders and negligent discharges which occur daily but what would that do? Gun Nuts are immune to that. The Mass Murders at Newton did nothing to change their minds, quite the contrary, it reinforced their desire to get more guns into more hands.

And that's the issue; More Guns has not made Americans safer. What it has come to is that the NRA, Gun Owners of America and other Unrestricted Gun Violence Supporters are more concerned with getting as many guns into the Country and damn the Consequences.

Because of their unceasing desire to up the profitability of Gun Manufacturers Government Officials are being assassinated and the lives and safety of the American People have been irrevocably damaged by NRA Sponsored Second Amendment Heroes.

Terrorists, Murderers and White Supremacists have a staunch ally in the NRA and other Gun Rights Organizations which will fight tirelessly so that convicted felons and murderous villains will have ready access to any type of firearm, with which they can carry out killings of Government Bureaucrats and Kindergartners.


One Fly said...

That was a round earth post. Given that this country still wants more guns. Propagandist media works well.

Sarge said...

One Fly,
You know how Sarge feels about handguns and assault weapons.
What We The People have to do is get rid of those politicians in Washington who don't represent us and instead are the voice of lobbyists money.


Constitutional Insurgent said...

There's soe serious holes in your dishonest attempt to link the NRA [as go-to boogeyman] to the Tsarnaevs.
Niether brother were on the FBI terrorist watch list, so the older brother would have been able to legally purchase a firearm [the younger was too young].

Neither brother obtained their fireamrs legally, as outline in Mass state law, so the bipartisan rebuke of the 'background check' Senate bill is also irrelevant

Additionally, if the bill had been merely about background checks, it might have passed...but that what you get for overreaching and underselling sometimes.

Grung_e_Gene said...

CI, No the NRA specifically told the Republicans to defeat the measure in 2011. So that is a direct link and you are wrong.

And even if Tamerlan had made it on the list he would have been able to acquire guns as I highlighted in the post.

Also, the NRA and other Gun Manufaturer Lobby Groups fight any law it wouldn't matter how unobtrusive. Because they put Profit over People.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

But your direct link simply isn't. The title of your OP states the "NRA helped the Tsarnaev's get their guns".

You have an alternate reality at best. Tsarnaev wasn't on the FBI watch list. That billpassing would not have altered the state of events.

I don't hold any great love for the NRA, but it's intellectually dishonest to levy blame on them for the actions of each and every gun weilding criminal.

Grung_e_Gene said...


Recall that Tamerlan was also convicted of Domestic Battery in 2009. I have been unable to ascertain the penalities associated but often (not always) in Illinois a DomBat conviction results in loss of FOID card privileges and Judical orders to turn in firearms.

And yet, the NRA, fights Orders of Protection and for Domestic Abusers to have ready access to firearms:

They argue that gun ownership, as a fundamental constitutional right, should not be stripped away for anything less serious than a felony conviction — and certainly not, as an N.R.A. lobbyist in Washington State put it to legislators, for the “mere issuance of court orders.”

Constitutional Insurgent said...

And again, Tamerlan did not follow Mass law and obtain his firearms legally.

The problem with your NYT article and [again] blaming the NRA...is that restaining orders are emgergency measures instituted to allow the court to hear both sides of a case and ajudicate. Its quite fair to question stripping one of their Constitutional right, based on an allegation.

Grung_e_Gene said...

Conviction not allegation. He was convicted of Dom Bat which is, most often, a Misdemeanor arrest for first offenses.

And I've shown several instances where any possible laws restricting guns for criminals are fought by the NRA. Is your level of connection that Wayne LaPierre or David Keane has to be caught actually placing the weapon in Tamerlan's hand or it's not evidence?

It seems your being slightly disingenious with your argument here.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

There is zero link between Tamerlan acquiring a firearm....and the NRA. He didn't acquire it/them legally. Past legislation, current legislation or proposals that the NRA opposed do not alter that fact.

Not one iota.

Proffering that a link exists is wat's disengenuous.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Please excuse the sloppy writing, I don't have spellcheck on my work computer....must pay better attention.