tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post8258678625560267448..comments2024-03-06T04:35:38.806-06:00Comments on Disaffected and it Feels So Good: Man with a GunGrung_e_Genehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-64116779516227802152013-09-19T10:16:10.623-05:002013-09-19T10:16:10.623-05:00I disagree. Compromise means both sides coming to ...I disagree. Compromise means both sides coming to a mutually agreed upon position. The gun control position wants their laundry list of restrictions, but what are they willing to compromise on in return?<br /><br />I as well, do not count you as among the fringe of the gun control position, but you would be equally aligned with those such as the late Pete Shields [of handgun Control/Brady Campaign] who favors exactly the incremental approach to banning the civilian ownership of all firearms, that the gun rights position warns of.....or Josh Sugarmann [of Violence Policy Center] who espouses a campaign of mis- and disinformation in regards to civilian confusion over what constitutes a 'military' or automatic weapon.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-58617068953548973582013-09-19T03:23:31.665-05:002013-09-19T03:23:31.665-05:00Look CI you can pretend the founders knew about la...Look CI you can pretend the founders knew about lasers because of Archimedes and his defense of Syracuse in 214 BC. The fact is we have a serious problem in the nation and the "compromise" you speak of is capitulation to the whims off the gun nuts.<br /><br />Now I'm not accusing you of being a gun nut, you aren't, you're just aligned with a cadre which is willing to accept mass shootings.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-20439012956437550142013-09-18T14:35:39.201-05:002013-09-18T14:35:39.201-05:00Gene - "Time and again, Larry Pratt, Ted Nuge...Gene - "Time and again, Larry Pratt, Ted Nugent, Wayne LaPierre are given platforms either at press conferences or on major media television to spout off that background checks and/or any regulation will enviability led to wholesale confiscation."<br /><br />At the very least, you're wrong about La Pierre. He reiterated just this past April that the NRA has no issues with the current NICS checks. Firearms registries have all been the integral piece in the banning and confiscation that has occurred in other nations. I'm all for discussions on compromise, but there's only one side that has been asked to compromise....and that fails the very definition.<br /><br />"The body of law-abiding firearms owners give tacit approval by remaining quiet and in the case of the two Colorado State Senators actively target anyone attempting to deal with this plague."<br /><br />Absolutely correct, though the effort was spearheaded by the Colorado body of law abiding firearms owners. Not tacit approval....overt and undeniable approval.<br /><br />"And I've already defeated you on this line of argument when you've made it before."<br /><br />Defeated me? Whatever makes you fell better.....<br /><br />If the gold standard that we're not on provides you with the foundation to propose that the 2A be restricted to only encompass musketry, then you cannot logically be inconsistent and not support holding the other enumerated rights to the same standard. If you're going to oppose civil liberties, don't half-ass it.<br /><br />"The Founders could not imagine the firepower available to a single individual that exists today."<br /><br />And wildly incorrect. No reason to rely on historical and factual inaccuracies [or inventions] to hold your position. Aside from the fact that you have to suspend the non-firearm technological innovations occurring during the Founders lifetime, firearms were undergoing such innovations as well, such as the Ferguson Rifle. <br /><br />Even automatic firearms had been well envisioned at least since DaVinci's day, not to mention the 16th century Austrian Double Wheellock.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-36654694154411739622013-09-18T10:49:04.450-05:002013-09-18T10:49:04.450-05:00Constitutional Insurgent,
Time and again, Larry P...Constitutional Insurgent,<br /><br />Time and again, Larry Pratt, Ted Nugent, Wayne LaPierre are given platforms either at press conferences or on major media television to spout off that background checks and/or any regulation will enviability led to wholesale confiscation.<br /><br />The body of law-abiding firearms owners give tacit approval by remaining quiet and in the case of the two Colorado State Senators actively target anyone attempting to deal with this plague.<br /><br />Here's at least two caveats: The Necessary and Proper Clause and the Amendment procedure. The Founders could not imagine the firepower available to a single individual that exists today.<br /><br />And I've already defeated you on this line of argument when you've made it before. The 7th Amendment specifically states where the "value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars". $20 back in 1789 was the price of 1oz of gold. Yet, the Amendment hasn't been reinterpreted to mean the price of 1oz of gold in 2013 dollars.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-7525491186293668932013-09-18T10:20:46.100-05:002013-09-18T10:20:46.100-05:00Nan - I don't know why the gun conmtrol cabal ...Nan - I don't know why the gun conmtrol cabal accuses gun owners of employing rhetoric, yet tries to frame the narrative in the exact same way. The 2A is already the most heavily reguilated Constituional right, and there is really nobody raising a hue and cry over NICs checks and CCWs. Implying that the body of law abiding firearms owners support zero regulation and protections against the mentally ill owning firearms...is disengenuous.<br /><br />Gene - Please point to the caveat in the Constitution where it states that an enumerated right prohibit technological advances, and why would such a prohibition apply to only one right and not the others?Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-14555684149886468212013-09-18T09:50:12.067-05:002013-09-18T09:50:12.067-05:00David,
Point out in the Constitution where the Fo...David,<br /><br />Point out in the Constitution where the Founders declare Arms=Modern Military Equipment and that the 2A can be interpreted to mean future generations can own modern military weapons.<br /><br />"the second amendment has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, ever perpetrated on the American public by an interest group in my lifetime." Chief Justice Warren Burger<br /><br />And as Nan properly pointed out Well Regulated. But, of course the Cult of the Gun takes that to mean trained or some such nonsense.<br /><br />The Gun Fanatics are forcing Americans to abide by their warped view of the Laws of the Nation with the eventual end state of Gun Nutters have the Freedom to Shoot and Kill people with out ramification.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-1293140639949684902013-09-18T06:43:21.408-05:002013-09-18T06:43:21.408-05:00I'd have trouble keeping my mouth shut if I sa...I'd have trouble keeping my mouth shut if I saw a dude walking around with an AR-15 at a farmer's market or other public venue. The urge to say "sorry about your tiny dick" would just be too strong. So I guess if there's ever a mass shooting and I'm one of the victims, y'all will know what triggered it. <br /><br />Focusing on what arms were common in the 18th century is a distraction. The key word for me has always been "well regulated." If the amendment itself calls for regulation, why do all the gun nuts think it means they shouldn't have to register their guns and/or meet some basic ownership standards (like sanity)? Nanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18359007443116549436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-39944109345551382812013-09-18T03:43:45.711-05:002013-09-18T03:43:45.711-05:00David is correct. The Founders vision of firearms ...David is correct. The Founders vision of firearms in common use, has been upheld by SCOTUS, and the Founders could absolutely understand technological advances, as they were occurring f=during their lifetime.<br /><br />Didn't reference the POTUS ordered CDC study I see.....but certainly long on editorializing with colorful adjectives.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-28809624513100664102013-09-18T01:05:02.334-05:002013-09-18T01:05:02.334-05:00Despite the fact that "Arms" in late 18t...<i>Despite the fact that "Arms" in late 18th century parlance meant a brace of flintlock pistols, a muzzle-loading blunderbuss, a dirk and a small sword or claymore. There are no restrictions that Gun Cultists will support because they are fanatics.</i><br /><br />The "Arms" the 2nd Amendment protected were modern military weapons at the time. Therefore the 2nd Amendment can be interpreted as a guarantee that our right to own modern military weapons shall not be infringed.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03817716688369783191noreply@blogger.com