tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post8511667043130894626..comments2024-03-06T04:35:38.806-06:00Comments on Disaffected and it Feels So Good: Republicans and the NRA helped the Tsarnaevs and Murderers get their GunsGrung_e_Genehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-8493093065765309662013-04-24T13:42:02.156-05:002013-04-24T13:42:02.156-05:00Please excuse the sloppy writing, I don't have...Please excuse the sloppy writing, I don't have spellcheck on my work computer....must pay better attention.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-75257297462781701052013-04-24T13:36:43.633-05:002013-04-24T13:36:43.633-05:00There is zero link between Tamerlan acquiring a fi...There is zero link between Tamerlan acquiring a firearm....and the NRA. He didn't acquire it/them legally. Past legislation, current legislation or proposals that the NRA opposed do not alter that fact.<br /><br />Not one iota.<br /><br />Proffering that a link exists is wat's disengenuous.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-58038089142110480582013-04-24T13:31:14.770-05:002013-04-24T13:31:14.770-05:00Conviction not allegation. He was convicted of Dom...Conviction not allegation. He was convicted of Dom Bat which is, most often, a Misdemeanor arrest for first offenses.<br /><br />And I've shown several instances where any possible laws restricting guns for criminals are fought by the NRA. Is your level of connection that Wayne LaPierre or David Keane has to be caught actually placing the weapon in Tamerlan's hand or it's not evidence? <br /><br />It seems your being slightly disingenious with your argument here.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-51402788010836407862013-04-24T13:19:42.233-05:002013-04-24T13:19:42.233-05:00And again, Tamerlan did not follow Mass law and ob...And again, Tamerlan did not follow Mass law and obtain his firearms legally.<br /><br />The problem with your NYT article and [again] blaming the NRA...is that restaining orders are emgergency measures instituted to allow the court to hear both sides of a case and ajudicate. Its quite fair to question stripping one of their Constitutional right, based on an allegation.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-83067655537701479972013-04-24T13:00:56.798-05:002013-04-24T13:00:56.798-05:00CI,
Recall that Tamerlan was also convicted of Do...CI,<br /><br />Recall that Tamerlan was also convicted of Domestic Battery in 2009. I have been unable to ascertain the penalities associated but often (not always) in Illinois a DomBat conviction results in loss of FOID card privileges and Judical orders to turn in firearms.<br /><br />And yet, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/18/us/facing-protective-orders-and-allowed-to-keep-guns.html?_r=2&" rel="nofollow">the NRA, fights Orders of Protection and for Domestic Abusers</a> to have ready access to firearms:<br /><br />They argue that gun ownership, as a fundamental constitutional right, should not be stripped away for anything less serious than a felony conviction — <b>and certainly not, as an N.R.A. lobbyist in Washington State put it to legislators, for the “mere issuance of court orders.”</b><br />Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-4509817508764021232013-04-23T16:56:41.189-05:002013-04-23T16:56:41.189-05:00But your direct link simply isn't. The title o...But your direct link simply isn't. The title of your OP states the "NRA helped the Tsarnaev's get their guns".<br /><br />You have an alternate reality at best. Tsarnaev wasn't on the FBI watch list. That billpassing would not have altered the state of events.<br /><br />I don't hold any great love for the NRA, but it's intellectually dishonest to levy blame on them for the actions of each and every gun weilding criminal.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-56532592632253879312013-04-23T16:44:50.434-05:002013-04-23T16:44:50.434-05:00CI, No the NRA specifically told the Republicans t...CI, No the NRA specifically told the Republicans to defeat the measure in 2011. So that is a direct link and you are wrong.<br /><br />And even if Tamerlan had made it on the list he would have been able to acquire guns as I highlighted in the post.<br /><br />Also, the NRA and other Gun Manufaturer Lobby Groups fight any law it wouldn't matter how unobtrusive. Because they put Profit over People.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-47532463647582044732013-04-23T16:17:30.725-05:002013-04-23T16:17:30.725-05:00There's soe serious holes in your dishonest at...There's soe serious holes in your dishonest attempt to link the NRA [as go-to boogeyman] to the Tsarnaevs.<br />Niether brother were on the FBI terrorist watch list, so the older brother would have been able to legally purchase a firearm [the younger was too young].<br /><br />Neither brother obtained their fireamrs legally, as outline in Mass state law, so the bipartisan rebuke of the 'background check' Senate bill is also irrelevant<br /><br />Additionally, if the bill had been merely about background checks, it might have passed...but that what you get for overreaching and underselling sometimes.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-58439761534553919622013-04-23T15:37:26.681-05:002013-04-23T15:37:26.681-05:00One Fly,
You know how Sarge feels about handguns a...One Fly,<br />You know how Sarge feels about handguns and assault weapons. <br />What We The People have to do is get rid of those politicians in Washington who don't represent us and instead are the voice of lobbyists money. <br /><br />RonSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14892211119418623595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-73475350116847293482013-04-23T12:17:50.184-05:002013-04-23T12:17:50.184-05:00That was a round earth post. Given that this count...That was a round earth post. Given that this country still wants more guns. Propagandist media works well.One Flyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772881642197609507noreply@blogger.com