tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post7243032404229244450..comments2024-03-06T04:35:38.806-06:00Comments on Disaffected and it Feels So Good: Am I wrong about Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald?Grung_e_Genehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-86486035559670871932013-07-11T15:30:31.454-05:002013-07-11T15:30:31.454-05:00I haven't been following the media bologna ove...I haven't been following the media bologna over what flight Snowden is on and such too much (analyzing Snowden and Greenwald's motivations is merely a distraction from the media's duty to try to investigate the accuracy of Snowden's claims and, if found true, to start a discussion about what the nation's response should be), but is Greenwald really being portrayed as tacitly approving Bush? I read his <a href="http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/page/102/" rel="nofollow">old Salon blog</a> during the Bush years and he was one of the most vocal critics of Bush's policies there was.ranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584685394945176255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-86197066487411754212013-07-08T21:45:00.682-05:002013-07-08T21:45:00.682-05:00Thanks for the info Grung e Gene. This does change...Thanks for the info Grung e Gene. This does change my opinion of Greenwald. Russ Feingold running as Gary Johnson's VP? I don't see that happening. Feingold is a true progressive, and therefore (a large portion of his) ideology is completely incompatible with Libertarianism.<br /><br />I too am offended by Sarge's unnecessary use of the N-word, as well as his comments about Bradly Manning. Bradley Manning is a hero. Yes, I realize he broke various laws, but that did not give our government license to torture him (which they have). He should be immediately freed for that reason.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-22721469930667448102013-07-06T18:29:50.157-05:002013-07-06T18:29:50.157-05:00Gene I have to ask why you allow racist language i...Gene I have to ask why you allow racist language in some posts? Most people consider the N-word off limits; don't you?Andrew Acistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18033321821557878384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-48779320280391078782013-07-06T14:40:40.667-05:002013-07-06T14:40:40.667-05:00W-Dervish,
Greenwald has over the years tried to ...W-Dervish,<br /><br />Greenwald has over the years tried to soft-peddle his <b>tacit approval</b> of Bush and his policies, and now regularly invokes the idea that he wasn't a journalist or writer at the time, was too trusting, and Both Sides Do It, and really the fault lies with journalists who didn't point it out. In 2006, Greenwald wrote a preface to his Book, <b>How Would a Patriot Act?</b>,<br /><br />I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.<br /><br />Now, Glenn bristles when people point this out and his readers leap to his defense, but Glenn doth protest to much.<br /><br />In an <a href="http://www.out.com/news-commentary/2011/04/18/glenn-greenwald-life-beyond-borders" rel="nofollow">OUT magazine profile</a>, Greenwald claims to have run for city council at 18 in 1985 so that makes me doubt his protest that he was apathetic about politics 16+ years later. Greenwald is a Right-Leaning Libertarian, a Supporter of both Pauls (Ron & Rand) and secretly wishes for a Billionaire to seize control of American Politics and break the 2 Party System.<br /><br /><i>One of his hopes for 2012 is that candidates will emerge to take on the red and the blue teams — he is keeping an eye on Gary Johnson, a two-term Republican governor of New Mexico, who is pro-gay and antiwar, and who could run with a Democrat like former Wisconsin senator Russ Feingold. He would also be happy to see a billionaire run without the help of either party, to “disrupt the two-party stranglehold.”</i>Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-5564231118650769952013-07-06T08:48:35.561-05:002013-07-06T08:48:35.561-05:00What's interesting is that on one hand there&#...What's interesting is that on one hand there's Obama saying Snowden is no big deal and on the other hand, you have the US pressuring several NATO countries denying Bolivia's president's plane the right to enter their airspace based on some rumor and forced to land and be searched by a Spanish ambassador. So there seems to be more to the story than a simple whistleblower thing.<br /><br />I disagree with Sarge in that I don't think Manning or Snowden are traitors or what they did was treason. They broke the law, but thought the public should know what the government was doing in their name. But, then again I lost my faith in "My Country, Right Or Wrong" a long time ago with all the bullshit associated with Vietnam!!<br /><br />Someone needs to keep the government honest especially when almost all the media is nothing more than <b>glorified stenographers!!!</b> Kulkurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09198195648066700925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-21666803572404386872013-07-05T17:00:58.284-05:002013-07-05T17:00:58.284-05:00Gene,
I don't rreally know much about Glenn Gr...Gene,<br />I don't rreally know much about Glenn Greenwald but as to Edward Snowden: He is no different than PFC Bradley Manning. Both of these traitors signed documents acknowledging that unlawful disclosure of the classified material that they were intrusted with could cause extremely grave damage to the United States and both knew full well of the potential penalties for doing such.<br />I don't see either Manning's or Snowden's motives in this matter the least bit relevant. They fucked America.<br />Now, we all know that Bush wire-tapped illegally. So what? But, the nigger does it and QUICK call <br />the Issa asshole. Do I want the NSA listening to my phone calls?<br />I don't give a damn! I am not doing those 1-900 hot breath things like my damned ignorant brother use to do. And, if they want to read my email or look at the new blog (shameless promotion follows: www.onedrunkenoldsergeant.blogspot.com) I don;t give a fuck! <br /><br />If I was on Mannimg's court martial - 30 years hard labor and a didhonorable discharge. Snowden needs to do life at Florence - the Fed supermax in Colorado.<br /><br />Or, a bullet behind his asshole ear.<br /><br /><br />SargeSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14892211119418623595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-293433952655399056.post-11146859599120884332013-07-05T15:00:33.746-05:002013-07-05T15:00:33.746-05:00Interesting. I had not heard of the info contained...Interesting. I had not heard of the info contained in the article you linked to. It says that "posts went up that strongly suggest the user is Snowden", and it (the article) referred to "The True HOOHA" as "the user who appears to be Snowden". So it isn't proven definitively (I guess?). Maybe someone is trying to smear him? I am very interested in any further developments in this area (Snowden "True HOOHA" or not).<br /><br />If he is a hypocrite whose motivations are other than what I previously believed them to be... that would certainly change my opinion of him. I (honestly) have been rooting for him to get away (although it appears he didn't think though his escape plan very well). But if he's a hypocrite who became a leaker for other reasons; then I don't care what happens to him.<br /><br />But that doesn't mean I wish he had been prevented from leaking (Snowden "True HOOHA" or not). The discussion we're having now is one WORTH having, IMO. So I really don't care about who did the leaking or what their motivations were. I hope it does not turn out his motivations were less than pure, as those who support the surveillance state are surely seeking to discredit and smear Snowden... as it would distract from the real discussion we should be having and should continue to have.<br /><br />Also, is "Greenwald's tacit acceptance of the Bush Era Surveillance and Warmongering" a fact? I'm not saying your characterization of Greenwald is inaccurate, just that I have no knowledge that he did any "tacit accepting" during bush's administration. A link to an article describing Greenwald's hypocrisy (if you can rustle one up), would be appreciated.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.com